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    Default The Problem Of The Needles,

    When I ordered my mini barreler, I also bought 750 g. of mixed shot from Sutton tools, Which seemed the cheapest option at the time. It arrived in three separate bags and keen to begin, I blithely mixed them together.

    As mentioned by other members in the past, my test pieces, tumbled for about two hours, came out covered in tiny but quite deep pin marks. This was less so on round and sloping surfaces, but very pronounced on the flat parts.

    In the interests of research I then picked out all the needles, which were the obvious culprits. They were quite roughly cut with sharp points and burred edges. Tumbling them with pebbles for hours and hours did reduce the burrs, but still left sharp points, so finally I ground each end with a mounted stone on my flex-shaft until I had 75g done.

    Adding these treated needles to 400g of mixed balls and satellites, gave a much reduced proportion of needles ( Approx.16% instead of the previous 33%) And left a lighter texture, which was more easily removed with radial wheels or micro mesh.

    Conclusions:
    Trimming the needles and/or reducing their proportion will give a more superficial texture, which is not unattractive and can more easily be removed from selected parts of your work.
    Alternatively, as suggested by Leslie, keep a separate cache of shot, free of needles when a smoother effect is needed.

    Below:
    Sorting Shot On A Tea Tray
    The Pin Point Texture
    The offending Needles
    Final Texture And Texture Removed.

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    I've yet to see a decent bag of mixed shot offered for sale in the UK. The needles are always sharp, and many mixes are far too large for jewellery use, and seem to contain mainly balls, rather than a good mix of shapes.

    My favourite mix, by far, is this one http://www.jatayu.com/Merchant2/merc...ode=TPO-0603-a - it's also significantly cheaper than anything here. As it comes in below the customs limit for VAT (until the autumn anyway), it arrives quickly as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    As it comes in below the customs limit for VAT (until the autumn anyway)...
    They're not finally increasing the threshold, are they? Dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century?

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    Hi

    Our mixed is shot certainly has more rounded pieces than the picture on the Jatayu site, would others contributors also like us to review the spec of this product?

    Out of interest the Jatayu product is considerably dearer than us as it's priced in pounds and not kilos as we sell it (and often with freepost!)

    regards

    Rob

    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    I've yet to see a decent bag of mixed shot offered for sale in the UK. The needles are always sharp, and many mixes are far too large for jewellery use, and seem to contain mainly balls, rather than a good mix of shapes.

    My favourite mix, by far, is this one http://www.jatayu.com/Merchant2/merc...ode=TPO-0603-a - it's also significantly cheaper than anything here. As it comes in below the customs limit for VAT (until the autumn anyway), it arrives quickly as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps_bond View Post
    They're not finally increasing the threshold, are they? Dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century?
    Sadly not Peter. I understand they're actually reducing it from £18 to £15.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Taylor View Post
    Hi

    Our mixed is shot certainly has more rounded pieces than the picture on the Jatayu site, would others contributors also like us to review the spec of this product?

    Out of interest the Jatayu product is considerably dearer than us as it's priced in pounds and not kilos as we sell it (and often with freepost!)

    regards

    Rob
    That's interesting Rob. The Jatayu stainless steel shot is slightly under $US 20 per pound. Yours is almost £90 for a kilo. Not quite sure how you make that cheaper?

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    Hi Rob,

    Jatayu are temporarily out of stock, so here is your chance to offer something better that will do chain as well as flat surfaces without unwanted pin pricks. As for the price, you will note that if a barrel will only accommodate 500g it is no good being offered a kilo.

    By the way, did you ever follow up my suggestion of Smiths for Brass?

    Regards, Dennis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    Sadly not Peter. I understand they're actually reducing it from £18 to £15.
    Ah, would that be to nobble the Channel Island vendors? I can see both sides, but ultimately it is the consumer who gets shafted for it.
    There *was* supposed to be an increase in that level in line with the other EU countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    Sadly not Peter. I understand they're actually reducing it from £18 to £15.



    That's interesting Rob. The Jatayu stainless steel shot is slightly under $US 20 per pound. Yours is almost £90 for a kilo. Not quite sure how you make that cheaper?
    $19.50 per pound times 2.2 equals $42.90 converts to £26.36 plus tax plus international shipping, Cookson charges £26.40 including VAT plus £5.85 p&p (or often freepost), not sure where the £90 comes in

    rgds Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    Hi Rob,

    Jatayu are temporarily out of stock, so here is your chance to offer something better that will do chain as well as flat surfaces without unwanted pin pricks. As for the price, you will note that if a barrel will only accommodate 500g it is no good being offered a kilo.

    By the way, did you ever follow up my suggestion of Smiths for Brass?

    Regards, Dennis.
    Hi Dennis

    I'm really sorry I don't recollect this at all, please remind me what this was about

    rgds

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Taylor View Post
    $19.50 per pound times 2.2 equals $42.90 converts to £26.36 plus tax plus international shipping, Cookson charges £26.40 including VAT plus £5.85 p&p (or often freepost), not sure where the £90 comes in

    rgds Rob
    I assume you're referring to 998 003 then. Which unfortunately is not stainless.

    The comparable product is 998 003B at £88.50. Which would be US$69 for 1lb - more than double the price, even including shipping, from the US.

    As an aside, 1lb is just the right amount for a single barrel.
    Last edited by mizgeorge; 25-07-2011 at 08:36 PM.

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