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theresa
29-03-2015, 09:52 AM
Does anyone know where to find a list of current sponsor marks?
I have searched online but nothing very recent.
I have a bracelet by SI in a rectangle dated 1989 and would like to know who it is.

Summer
29-03-2015, 12:10 PM
can't find any Theresa but found this one which so made me laugh maker is Samuel Hennell & John Terry http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/London-SD-SI.html

Dennis
29-03-2015, 02:32 PM
Ha Ha, someone wasn't thinking. They woulldn't allow it on a car numberplate. I wonder whether Steve LAO will see it. Dennis.

Patstone
29-03-2015, 02:35 PM
Mine is PS as I didnt want it to look like silver plate mark. Mine is in two triangles "P" in one and "S" in the other, that was before we had a proper name and were still in our evening class but some of the stuff we were making was over the weight so had to come up with a hallmark quick.

CJ57
29-03-2015, 03:03 PM
Does each assay office not hold the list relating to its office where the hallmark has been stamped?
I was once contacted by someone who said the y had been told by Edinburgh that a piece of jewellery they had was possibly mine from the mark. I didn't recognise the description but they sent it up for repair anyway and it wasn't mine and I had to pay for return postage!

Patstone
29-03-2015, 03:33 PM
Ouch I bet that hurt.

theresa
30-03-2015, 08:50 AM
I saw that one too. I would think genteel folk didn't make the connection!

LydiaNiz
30-03-2015, 11:22 AM
Wonder if they produced work for R*tners?

SteveLAO
31-03-2015, 02:24 PM
hehehe you'd be surprised at some of the unfortunate sponsor mark initials!!

Theresa, reference your initial request, you've mentioned here that the shield surround is a rectangle, but you've pm'd me to say it's a square surround. If you could confirm the shape of the surround I'll see if I can trace it for you.

There are books listing early sponsors marks from all assay offices, such as "Grimwades" or "Jacksons", or if you don't have access to these books, and for early London marks, you can always call our library and they'll help you over the phone. For modern London sponsor's marks you can call our registration department and again they'll trace it for you over the phone.

There are some regulations though under the data protection act with regard to releasing details of sponsors. If the marks relate to companies then we can usually give out details, but if they relate to individuals then we're not usually allowed to release details unless we have the permission of the individual to do so.

SteveLAO
31-03-2015, 02:29 PM
CJ57, it is the combination of the sponsor mark AND the town mark which makes your mark unique. I think you're registered with Edinburgh, and so no-one else with a registration at Edinburgh will be able to have the same mark as you have. However, "your" sponsor mark may well be registered with another assay office under somebody else's name, but that's fine so long as it is also marked with a difference assay office town mark. Always check the sponsor mark AND the town mark together before looking for the maker!

CJ57
31-03-2015, 04:51 PM
CJ57, it is the combination of the sponsor mark AND the town mark which makes your mark unique. I think you're registered with Edinburgh, and so no-one else with a registration at Edinburgh will be able to have the same mark as you have. However, "your" sponsor mark may well be registered with another assay office under somebody else's name, but that's fine so long as it is also marked with a difference assay office town mark. Always check the sponsor mark AND the town mark together before looking for the maker!

I think that's what I was trying to say, my initials are CJ and I can only assume there isn't another at Edinburgh so not sure why they were so insistent I'd made the piece. To add insult to injury of paying for the return postage it was boggin as we say up here!!

theresa
31-03-2015, 10:15 PM
When I checked, it was more square than rectangular. I only wanted their name, nothing else.
hehehe you'd be surprised at some of the unfortunate sponsor mark initials!!

Theresa, reference your initial request, you've mentioned here that the shield surround is a rectangle, but you've pm'd me to say it's a square surround. If you could confirm the shape of the surround I'll see if I can trace it for you.

There are books listing early sponsors marks from all assay offices, such as "Grimwades" or "Jacksons", or if you don't have access to these books, and for early London marks, you can always call our library and they'll help you over the phone. For modern London sponsor's marks you can call our registration department and again they'll trace it for you over the phone.

There are some regulations though under the data protection act with regard to releasing details of sponsors. If the marks relate to companies then we can usually give out details, but if they relate to individuals then we're not usually allowed to release details unless we have the permission of the individual to do so.

SteveLAO
01-04-2015, 09:03 AM
SI in a square refers to a company called Strata in-set Ltd. They first registered with London in 1970 and their registration expired in 1995. They did not want to renew their registration, so I don't have up to date details for them.

LydiaNiz
01-04-2015, 02:39 PM
Hi Steve, Was just thinking about you having just been sent to this bargain on Facebook! http://www.tiffany-onlinestore.net/

Aurarius
01-04-2015, 04:23 PM
Hi Steve, Was just thinking about you having just been sent to this bargain on Facebook! http://www.tiffany-onlinestore.net/
They've been going a while from the look of it and have probably scammed quite a few unwary customers. The PRC doesn't exactly make cracking down on scam internet sites a high priority. They're too busy blocking sites, blocking users from accessing sites, and monitoring subversive communications to care much about foreigners getting scammed by dodgy entrepreneurs.
Steve, you could try writing to Xi Jinping in protest. How's your Chinese? I'd gladly assist. Not that there's any point.

SteveLAO
02-04-2015, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this site. It's a trading standards issue really, but I've given the details to our trading standards liaison office for follow up, and will be in touch with Tiffany too, but I guess they're probably aware.
We work very closely with the TS on hallmarking issues. They have the power to enforce the law, and we supply the specialist support.

theresa
02-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Thanks Steve

SI in a square refers to a company called Strata in-set Ltd. They first registered with London in 1970 and their registration expired in 1995. They did not want to renew their registration, so I don't have up to date details for them.